Thanks Pendarian........hey thgeisel, that looks great; anyway how I can get the snow object and your secrets? That would be great for filler.....very effective, really looks like snow.....I can imagine how hard it was to do...you should put it in free stuff..... I'm looking to create a winter scene that will become a CD cover for an audio CD of Christmas music I'm putting out.....the music is kind of new-agey and I thought a scene like that would match the music....... Krel