I just spent 8 hours downloading the Bruce 5 Trial Version. I was going to ask where the menus are, other than the little arrows, and pretty little icons. I was also going to ask how to import poser things, and how to do some "basic" stuff. I'm working on a game, and I need a terrain/organic renderer. But, considering the problems y'all are having.... And considering the amount of work, and the time limit, Bryce is definately not worth the time it took to download. Thanks for the info people!