Hi Virtual site, I'm pretty new to max, but I think 3ds is really the OLD model format. The newest format is MAX ( for me 4 ) This has scene information as well. ( I think camera, etc, ) Now, I really want BRYCE to Plug into Max, not just ordinary import/ export, so I can have the Bryce terrain and animated skies in Max. ( I think this is how World Builder now works. Anybody know? ) Kathy