i agree with both of you alot of lws layout ive yet to explore for the simple fact i keep trying to better my modeling skill It seems theres always a little moore to tweak but finding a happy medium is rewarding that way i can get to messiah and animate it only then do i feel ive acomplished something Using pre made stuff can be more of a necssity but it kills th rewarding feeling of acomplishment leaving me feel like i did a half ... job