Personally, I think Bryce and 3d MAX are TOTALLY incompatible at this point. I don't see how they can interact at all. ( anybody know?) I mean the only posts I see are people modeling in Max, and using Bryce as the renderer. Well forget that - thats old news. Max has many new hot renderers now. The only need for BRYCE is INPUT to max as a terrain / sky generator. But they fail totally at that. As far as Bryce 5, I cant export a "scene" to Max. bryce will export SOME of the primitive objects to 3ds. But not all for some strange reason. So Big deal. Now, that Susanna looks like one of the best ideas yet. Anybody tested that one? Poser is MUCH more production friendly at this point than Bryce. I think Bryce is going to LOSE more market share to Vue, Terragen, and WB, unless they wake up quick. Corel has banner ads all over the 3d sites. But no pro takes Bryce seriously, for these basic reasons. Kathy