The subs area is easy to navigate Ron for the users and to make html asy and fast for us..time spent doing html is wasted modelling time :o), heres a screen shot and to the left of the thumbs is the links to the varios sections and at the bottom of the thumbs is the navigation of the area you are in....top and bottom has links to search, forum and password changing...most we did have a poll on the readmes and found that most wanted simple instalation but at the same time to be able to choose where they put them eg. person A likes to have folders, dresses, pants, tops etc another likes p4 male, p4 fem, vikki etc so what we have done is ALL obj's go into a folder named PWFW the rest can go where you please, and the readme gives instructions where they go for new users, there is also a file guide page..no no wierd licensing stuff its basically the same as the stuff that comes with poser or you get from DAZ, A lot of the issues you've mentioned apply to personal taste for example if we put up auto installers i bet you we'd have complaints that they like the old way, same if we did to much vikki or mike (already had them :o) so what we try to do is average everything out to keep as many happy as possible, an impossible task LOL but i feel where pretty close :o) Steve