Hi kieraw, As far as Price point, Vue and Terragen are both cheaper than Bryce. ( Terragen is FREE! ) Vue has a lightwave plugin and so does Terragen. I guess they feel the life of the product benefits by other uses. WB is more expensive, but does plug into poser, lw , and max. Also Poser is not exactly a high end expensive app, but has increased in popularity with their plug ins ( to everything, but Bryce THE SAME STORY! ) Hi Phantast , well yes, I would pay someone for one. ( reasonable. ) Who? And how would they write it? I think ( anybody know) Bryce prevents this somehow by not releasing code. that Susanna plug in looks to be a clever way around this, more than a "partnership" with Bryce. Just my 2 cents. Kathy virtualsite: I wondered why Brads "grandfathers" picture was in my basement. teehee.