hiya kat ya almost showed me all I wanted to see :P anyhow, what I see thus far is ok..so show me all the joint editor windows for every joint show me the wireframe of the model and lastly...this is something you have to check there...make sure that every polygon you intend to be in the group waist, abdomen, etc are actually where they are supposed to be. for instance, if you have one single polygon that belongs in the hip in the chest or visa versa, then all things are fubar. you can go into uvmapper and show each group one at a time and see if you have an oddball in there...but based on what I see, this is most likely the problem. luck BT