Ok, here's my deal with Dina. I think she would be the perfect model for some background characters I have in mind - a tired, frumpy, waitress, a middle aged housekeeper and a blowzy hair dresser. The problem is, I can't use her in any of those roles because of her lack of wardrobe. I'm sure I could probably morph Vicky into those characters, but it would be a lot easier just to use Dina with an aged texture map. sigh Oh well, back to the drawing board. Y'all just go on back to trying to make Dina pretty and sexy and never mind those of us who would like to put her in something other than pinups and fantasy images. In the meantime, I'll go back to trying to "unpretty" vicky and posette. Kate the discouraged