Ok- my goal was some old coins- 3h and 15m later I can't figure out how to get a trancparency map for the missing portion of an irregular coin, so I chucked all the damn coins into the well in the yard and snapped the pic. My plan: Make a flatend cylender map the coin onto the serface with the missing areas showing up as transparent. No go! the missing area was always the color of the background of the coin. If I could have imported the coin into the spline or vertex modeler I would have just traced it. I have been looking at AG2 and wonder how this would have come out? I would like a sugestion on the transparency issue (It was so easy in Bryce!)