oOOo thanks heaps to all three of you! lobo: if you could still send it (if it's ok with all parties involved) I'd appreciate it! but don't go to too much trouble about it, you've been a huge amount of help already =) If you need my e-mail you can try phi@apocx.hypermart.net maz: does firstbit/secondbit etc. have to have specific names? Josiah: will try, thanks =) Thanks heaps guys! SewerRat