I concur, AL is great fun. And creating your own avatars from scratch (Using Poser Pro) is a lot harder than you'd think. And as you know Phil , trying to get the poly count down so it doesn't hang up the browser is no easy task. So I think Curious Labs have done a great job! And at this price (the price I thought it should be to start anyway ;-)) you can't not get it. Just to play around. As to the Quake-like appearance, I agree it CAN look that way, but it also CAN look like "Real Myst". I am a gamer, but not the shoot-em up game gamer. I like the Myst-like games. And with the Atmospher Builder (albeit you have to again try to keep poly counts low) it is amazing what you can do that is very pleasing to the eye. I'm creating a Victorian house in which to explore and bring people over to chat. James