Thanks, Ironbear! ;o) Pops the top on her Guiness and pours it into a glass stein And Zero, I would love to be able to get a $100 refund from CL, but I highly doubt that will happen. :o( They'll give their reasons for doing what they're doing and that will be the end of it. Hopefully HellBorn is right, and P5 will be out soon. Perhaps at a lower price for an upgrade than usual? Wishful thinking, I know And Leather-Guy, you are most certainly correct; many people I know had started out in at least one of the ways you described, it is true--but for me, that thought doesn't take any of the shock out of my system! LOL But my thing is this: For the people in the Warez communities, the pirated Full proggie downloads for P4 are available with the 4.0.3 patch already---and they make cracks for the pro pak that hides serial numbers, and as soon as P5 comes out--the same will be done for that. We all know it will, come on. But my question is, if any of those who use pirated software are smart enough to not get found out by anyone, then why would they pay for it when they have it for free?? CL is NOT the only victim of pirating in any way. If these people are ballsy enough to download the illegal copies in the first place, why wouldn't they be ballsy enough to keep the illegal copy if they aren't found out? I'd be interested in a press release of the number of people they get to pay for legal copies at the end of the "offer period." Also, I have a question if anyone could give me an answer: How does CL find out about illegal copies other than people tipping them off and the sniffers in the upgrades? I mean, CL has to keep records of all those who purchase from them, I suppose, right? I was just curious (no pun intended ;o) ) as to how this became so big for CL in the past few months. Thanks!