Pls simmer down, everybody, and try to be cynical ;o) This seems to me to be what the germans call "realpolitik", or politics/policy in the real world. Warez are a fact of life, and you can't stop people from being tempted. Never mind the morality of it, those are the facts. But I try to be selfish in an enlightened way. As a legit user of P3-4-PPP I got the full version, including doc and support, just a bit before the warez gang did. I didn't have to "reconstruct" the manual by asking RTFM questions on the forums - I could dive straight in and have fun. When PPP came out, I was exasperated by Curious having to spend so much time and effort to hunt down warez instead of working on Anthony's CR2 documentation and on P5. Necessary for CL to stay in business, they said, and I can believe it! With this strategic move, I might be morally pissed, but now I can hope that Curious might be able to concentrate more on Poser and less on pirates - AND that this does indeed herald the more-or-less imminent arrival of P5, which I'll buy on the spot, like a lot of other people, pissed or not ;o) So, selfishly speaking : CL, go ahead!