Ah, geesh. I really cannot believe this. Maybe they'll make the upgrade cheaper for all of us? Maybe Poser 5 is about to come out? Maybe people who got it through the backdoor will now go legit? Yea, right, and pigs may fly, but I doubt it. Think about the precedence this is setting, poeple! Honest user? Pay full price. Thief? Use your pirated copy for as long as you like and then, if your microscopic conscience really starts to bother you, wait for the "50% Off Midnite Madness Sale for Criminals" and then pitch in. Cheaper upgrade? Okay, maybe your addition is different here on Earth, but if I add what I paid for my Poser 4 to whatever the upgrade price is for Poser 5 it is still coming out more than a bit higher than the price the pirate paid for HIS Poser 4 + Poser 5 upgrade. I wonder... Maybe instead of prosecuting shoplifters we should just tell them, "Hey, pay 50% of the ticketed price and we'll let you go." I'll suggest that to my wife's employer and see how long his face stays red from laughing so hard. The only consolation I am getting out of this is the knowledge from years of fighting and working against crackers, hackers and pirates is that the crackers and pirates will laugh their asses off at CL when this hits the underground. And I now have another "real world" example to take to clients of how NOT to deal with criminals... at least if you want your honest customers to feel like you respect them and if you want them to continue to respect you. Well, from this episode, IMHO... CL doesn't and neither do I any longer. Say whatever you like, cheese up to CL all you want, flame me all the way to Hell. I don't care. CL just made crime pay and I have no respect for anyone that does that. casamerica