Cripes people what can i say i actualy started with pirate copy of poser but before the tut tut i did buy a retail version, one, because of the upgrades offered at the time 4.03 and also i was so impressed with the program and the community here i felt i would benifit more with a purchased copy (sigh!) (get the hankies out) than the bug ridden copy i got from a warez site but i wish the offer made by CL was a while back!!