My two penn'th, Maybe one day Curious Labs will realise that if they got the price right the majority of people wouldn't bother with ripped off versions, but would be happy to buy a legit version. To my mind anything more than 100 (UK pounds) is too much. By the way, my version is legit, but I think it's still too expensive at present. If the price were right, everybody in the world would use Poser, rather than just the relatively few afficionados that we have in this community. Microsoft has drastically reduced prices for some software (eg Visual Basic and MS Project, which in my opinion are close to worthless products) and have cornered the market when there is much better stuff available. Curious Labs could do the same. What probably stops them is that there actually isn't any better stuff that is affordable to mere mortals. Yet! Maz