Hi, Ok, so you all think you "lost" some cash, well I bought the English Version, (in Germany) as soon as I was able to order it again from CL, (I was living in a cheap hotel, so I didn't have an address I could use for mail order :) I paid 660.00 DEM or 301.336 USD (according to xe.net) and still don't think I was getting "ripped off" I'd been using a pirate version for a good 6 months at that point, (because you simply couldn't buy it anymore) it took me a week to find a working version, after scouring every computer shop I knew in Munich without success. I personally have no problem with paying for "good" software, stuff I'm going to use a lot, hell I've spent lots of money (1K pounds) for an OS that's sitting on a '486 back in the UK, simply because it was cool! You can now get that, (or most of it) for free... (get.qnx.com) Am I bitchin' am I bitter? No. Why not? Because it means the OS gains wider adoption, and I'd rather see a good product expand and thrive than be backed into the corner of a smaller and more rigidly defined niche. CL should be happy that thier product is one that people want to pirate, because it means it's being used, by a growing user base, which is what you need in any healthy system, be it organic or in this case, inorganic :) The fact that CL may garner some extra cash to pad out the bottom line should be applauded by us, as it means that hopefully the company is healthy enough to last a while longer, and will continue to produce great products at what are "knock down prices" take a look at any other package that does what poser does, and you'll be amazed at what you're getting for the price. Admittedly they could have handled it better, as it makes the legitimate users feel slightly cheated, but a great many of those users will lack the patience or the knowledge to get hold of a pirate version anyway, so it's not like you could've got a cheap one too, "if only you'd known..." This is the sort of thing that Apple excells at, they anounce a new product out of the blue and loads of people are pissed off because they bought the old one yesterday... As for "outing" people, well, I guess some people do some very strange things for pleasure these days :) later jb