I agree with you, two of the biggest thread made yesterday revolved around the metacreation changes and the Codeman/Zygote dispute and now both are missing from the forum....and for once I do not think it was the forum administrators doing it (at least I hope not and in Codeman's case he apparently deleted his string himself) I am currently undergoing a personal professional armageddon, in fact one that has recently culminated in my resignation. I can tell you that 80-90% of the problems leading up to our situation arose when people and staff and the managers quit letting things be talked about and started sweeping things under the rug. I hope and pray that we are not getting to the point of not allowing OURSELVES to talk freely......In the past there has been a tendancy to not want to tick off metacreations...or Zygote...or a sponsor.... I have always been the first to point out that BBSs and email are lousy communication formats because of the incredible tendancy to misread or misinterpret another's words and intent....but I can sure tell you that NOT talking about something at all is the worst..... Scarab <-frothing at the mouth......out of work too....