And please quit your whining!!!<<< You know, I have had it. As far as I am concerned, CL and those who accept this legitimizing of piracy can do whatever the hell they like. I just don't give a d**n anymore. You and people like you have refused to even acknowledge our true objection even when it is plainly spelled out for you. Instead, you try to summarize us as "whiners" who hate it because it someone ealse got something cheaper than we did... even when we have specifically and repeatedly stated that is not the case. So, to hell with it! But everytime I see that "Please support Curious Labs and the Poser community by reporting any suspected illegal use of Poser and Poser Pro Pack to legal@curiouslabs.com." notice at the top of this page I am insulted. And it will be cold day... Be well. casamerica