OT - but flattery will get you anywhere ;o) But I ain't done no boots, so that part of the flattery belongs to someone else. Otherwise - thanx, glad you found a use for'em, that's why I make'em. More on topic : the items you mention were made using the free v. 4.15 of Amapi, using the methods described in the quick-tutes in the Amapi forum here on R'osity - make a search for "exercises", "project" and "conforming" if interested.