First of all, I did not say quiet down to insult anybody. I have RESPECT for EVERYONE on this EVERYONE. EVERYONE. It was not meant to be an arrogant comment. I am not better than anybody here or anywhere. What I meant is that people should try and move on. CuriosLabs is under fire for trying to catter to a broader customer base ( perhaps ignorantly WORDED ) The company is struggling to move the product forward and I think they deserve support, critism, compliments, anger, hate, love but not full blown vendeta as seen in this forum. Some folks here would be happy to be the one to light that fuse. Temper anger with understanding. All will be well. Secondly, I DO NOT support PIRACY. I am not rich. I could not afford Poser 4, but I could afford 15 bucks to purchase a Computer Arts Magazine that had Poser 3 for free. Since then, I have been posting in this forum on how to go about upgrading my version. Upgrading to version 4 costs $99, but CuriousLabs wouldn't honor my version for upgrading. I've been saving up for version 4, ........then this. Why wouldn't anybody in my shoes support CuriousLabs for bailing them out of a frustrating situation? Why would I be posting in this forum and bothering CuriousLabs with my upgrade requests if I support piracy? Poser Is out there for a dime a pop. I don't need that. I need the real stuff. It HAS to be legit. Nobody is saying anything about folks like me. We have all been bundled in the piracy bandwagon. This is my gripe. This is my stance. Anyway, that said. Once again "quite down" was not an insult. ( wrongly worded I suppose ) D**n maybe I caught the CuriousLabs bug :-). All will be well folks. Put this behind you and keep moving. Keep rendering. Keep posering. Be happy. Curious Labs will pick up the pieces. Believe me. ( PS: I do not work for CuriousLabs and do not intend to. Just another struggling poserer around the corner ) >>>and I mean no one, tells me to "quiet down." Not unless they wish to don appropriate weaponry. Game on. Oh..and also, Anybody that wishes to brandish a weapon should feel free to do so. I hope they've got a bigger one though :-) !!!