ok cool thanks =) I'd kinda given up, although with this new feet-info I could try again I redid the texture so that the new parts are not overlapping any of the default nude man, so that I only need to replace the head and neck OK, so it's not quite as elegant a solution, but it has the same effect in the end, and it means I can carry over human texture maps and only need to replace the face =) thanks heaps for the help, it seems to be working now =)(with that workaround), and thanks for the info on the feet =) btw, with the feet, does that mean I have to parent them to the hip in the phi editor? SewerRat