Lol. Now your looking for problems. ;-) 1st thing: Phi builder doesn't automatically arrange the hierarchy of body parts correctly when you open an .obj file in it. You have to arrange it by hand. Even a figure that's currently set up and woking won't come into PHI builder all set up. Because none of that info is placed in the .obj for Phi builder to know how to arrang the hierarchy. There was a program out there called "PHI Factory" by Bushi. That let you open cr2s and convert them into .phi files. But I don't know if his web site is up anymore. 2nd thing: Those names in the joint window are blending body parts that are closely related to eachother. It doesn't mean they are connected that way. The shoulder is not connected to the chest. It just seems that way from looking at that list. ScottA