The poser friendly version is coming along, I need to take breaks from it now and then as some parts drive me nuts. (sixus, next update for you will be coming soon) After figuring out my little boo-boo with the legs I have moved on to the head and eyes. But as the head is basically a separate object, it gives me problems bending. I haven't decided if it would be best to venture into the mesh (yuk) or re-grouping again (lesser yuk, but not as neat) Not to mention that the eye joints are a pain in the you-know-what I still have some imperfections in the joints in other places, but they don't show unless there are multiple bends in play. Lately I've been playing around with poses (except the head) to discover what joints still need work, so far the biggest is that the thumbs seem to detach themselves slightly when the hand tries to grip something. But that seems to be a critical problem if you try to hold an axe, lol. Boy I sure am long winded, I'll shut-up now.