"So, I take it that "Solids" are like modeling with primitives (cubes, sheres, etc.)?" TTBOMK, yep. :] One reason this has been good for me is the price- the renderer, POV, is free, and the GIU, Moray, is free to try (fully functional, no restrictions) and only $60 to register. I'm rendering a wineset I'm working on, to show some of the cool glass effeects I've gotten. I'll post it when it's done. (It's fast, too- the file I'm doing has medium-high antialiasing, and will probably take about 30 minutes tops. While I'm online at the same time!)