O.K., test 2, 12 Vickies, 7 SMVs, 1 hair, 1 pair shoes, 303 Mb PZ2. about 2 minutes (each) to save & load, 4 minutes to render. If I do anymore I might have to close Netscape! W2000 reports 530Mb of memory used, so I suspect I could add another dozen SMV's or so, get it up to about 400 Mb in the PZ2. My Mac takes about the same amount of time to save/load 1 Supermodel Vickie, incidently!