Thanks Steve, This answers a lot. And Yes I read the EULA. I always do that first ;-) I know it's hard to keep things out of pirates hands even with protected programs. It's good to know that Adobe will be actively discussing this part of Atmosphere. I know the problems a public program like this must entail. Keep us aprised of event please. Have fun at Adobe, don't work too hard. James aka jschoen, aka JamesSF PS: Great wedding pics! And come visit us in my xmas world.