Gee JeffH, I don't think I have Poser 4 still. That is, ProPack went over it. I could remove PP then (OUCH!) reinstall Poser 4 (will have to hunt down those updates, too) from the ground up. Wondering if I might have to reformat or replace my HD (OUCH! again) but I've everything backed up, a result of previous experience. Still, drastic as this seems, that would probably fix it, but sure would hate to still have the problem after all that. Thanks again.