This goes way back before 9/11. They had long history of banning people from their site for merely mentioning the name of Renderosity. There had been a huge blow-up between websites and the members. Too ugly to go into detail. All in all, Ian and Willow were very set in their own opinions and it rankled a lot of fur on all sides. The 9/11 incident was just the straw the broke the camel's back. It's too bad, because they had once been the best site on the web, and one of the originals for Poser. I guess the bad feelings just never healed. Unfortunately, the folks at PFO were not willing to forgive and forget. Melanie