Done deal... :-> Six years ago there was no Renderosity, or PFO for that matter... just a mailing list run by Steve Cooper for the users of Poser 1. I sometimes wonder if we weren't happier then. But then I think of all the very cool people I would never have had a chance to meet if things had just stayed as they were, and I'm glad everything turned out as it did. I'll count you as one of those cool people, Ron. This is a very sad, and still a very sore, subject for a lot of the community. It would probably be best to let it drop. -nemo