next time i make a figure i'll look into phi builder, thanks for the tip nyar1ath0tep :) oh, yes, my obj would have 8 digits then (i should look) cos last thing i did was open it in uvmapper and move the map a bit and resave. -- this is one huge advantage i can see for external obj, you can remap to your heart's content without editing the cr2!!! :) ahh what fun :) no wonder modellers don't find time to make pics, modelling is so much fun too :) i was making a poser hair figure by the way, thanks for your help, i shall IM you two when i finish it and if you like it you can have it!

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a sweet disorder in the dress kindles in clothes a wantoness,
do more bewitch me than when art is too precise in every part