Patrick Martin has made some incredible car models with the VM . A Benz and a Ferrari if i remember well . They're available for sale on DAZ for Poser, go throw an eye, you won't believe they were done in Carrara 8) ! He explained how he did them a while ago on Yahoo groups, it's basically based on lofting curves together . But he's just a crazy god, so don't expect to make such perfect models in Carrara without serious brain damage ;) ! Anyway, does anyone have his website's address ? He has posted some very helpful screen captures of his car models in the VM on it .