jb, >>"then you need to actually destroy the 'kudos' based mentaility that drives virtually everything in the scene, including the "Open Source"/Linux crowd." While I agree with much of what you said, I would like a clarification... Isn't the OpenSource/Linux thing similar to 'Rosity's "Free Stuff concept? These people are putting out variations on a "free" product in much the same way as we might come up with "Re Maps" for figures and New Textures for Objects... WOuld you classify the individual who gave us OBJAction Mover (for FREE!!!!) as being in the same league as DoD and LoD? Somehow, I don't think that Curious Labs/Daz etc. view him in the same fashion as those who are Cracking Poser and Putting it out there as their version of a "community service" BTW. This is not meant to be read in a "ranting" tone of voice... just wanted to point out something that caught my eye... Starlok