hi there - thank you for all the usefull tips and hints. that helps me in my decision very much further... i love posette (in fact nearly all my works in my gallery are based on her - with some morphs here and there), but the broken knees and elbows are annoying ... i also did a few renderings with eve (by arduino): very versatile. then i bought victoria 1 - she came without any textures and i was a bit disappointed, but i found much stuff throughout the web (thanks for all :) soon i found she has almost the same problems with broken knees ... the very first renderings were ... ummm ... not so good. but at last i created a character as a starting point for more works. here is a small pic for you ... (wave hair by Kozaburo) thanks a lot :) special thanks to dacort's comparison table and pics - very usefull:) jk