Not to beat a dead (hopefully dead) horse here, but people seem to be missing the point here. Poser 4 has been out on the market for what? 2 years? Longer maybe? (I honestly can't recall) I can't believe that all of you are using a promotion as an excuse to bitch and gripe about this. Time goes on, prices drop. Companies hold special promotions to generate more sales. They didn't HAVE to use the amnesty thing to reel people in, they could have just simply dropped the price to $129... would all of you be bitching about it so much? Who knows... I'm sure some of you would have, though not as much. The issue here is that it appears most of you feel snuffed by this, but believe me, the mention of amnesty is likely intended as just a promotional gimmick. Everyone needs a gimmick to sell a product, don't they? How many of you sell products either at DAZ, here in the Marketplace, or at 3DCommune? You use gimmicks to sell products, don't you? THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT CL IS DOING!!! Admittedly, it seems their plan backfired just a bit, however, if you can manage to rope in a few people who were using illegal copies, and get them to pay some cash, as well as offer the discounted price and hopefully sell a lot more copies, then what's the problem? Decreased prices lke this usually mean that the next version is on it's way or already released. Matter of fact, ProPack really is the next viable upgrade to Poser 4.... those of us who are using it's advanced features know full well how much of an upgrade it is, and how easy it makes things. So, when you think about it, Poser 4 is ALREADY the obselete version. I see no problem whatsoever with them offering an older product for less than half it's original price... it's just how things work. Hell, look at Hardware prices. Ron 'DraX' DeFreitas