Oh I understand completely.... I wasn't meaning the all fours bit I was just showing you my "archetype" I like the bipedal aspect. I certainly like what you've done, so please don't feel you need to go to any extra effort. Even though I'm not capable of doing too much making my own models I appreciate the time and effort involved, like I said... that's just the type of dragon I'd like to see - not the type of dragon yours needs to be. Anz