Thats awesome... Because thats what I was trying to do but the tapering just didn't work out like I needed it to. BUt you have a point.. and if I had zbrush :grins: or knew how to use it. Can't market towards the lowest common denominator though (me) :grins: I'm taking classes in 3d design and animation next semester and hopefully I'll learn more about the actual modeling aspect so I can contribue more to this community than my big mouth. :grins: Anz