Trad, I never thought you were trashing the Kitchens book and regret if I somehow implied that. My only point was as stated. X2000, no real disagreement from me there. Mind you, one of the often cited benefits of Bryce is that almost anyone can come up with something "reasonable" without knowing much about it. I do think it would be fairer to compare drawing a horse with doing something similar in a simple paint program than modeling one in Carrara. But in essence I agree with the spirit of your comment. Virtualsite, I wasn't faulting books that concentrate on the software. In fact, I agree that this part of my comment is off-topic as you state. After all, I did start by calling it a "side note". I wished only to remind ourselves that there is knowledge and pursuit beyond the software that may greatly benefit our efforts. Surely anything that may improve our work is not a bad thing? Anyhow, this is devolving into a "he said", "she said" affair- not what I intended at all. I probably should have just shut up and will now do so. Even if we should disagree, I trust we will all have a very wonderful Christmas (or equivalent thereof for the politically correct.)