I feel for the 100 poor souls canned just before the holiday's: been there, had that done to me, and it really really sucks. I'm sure everyone here wishes all of them all the very best. As to the board of MC... well, they've got to look out for the shareholders' best interests and this, they feel, is for the best - no matter how misguided we think/know/believe them to be. IMHO they went about it all wrong but, there you go - that's the suits for you. Poser and Bryce won't die, with such a vibrant and dedicated group of folks like yourselves rooting for it. And look at the amount of outside development; the new realistic eyes, trans-mapped hair, better figures, superb texture maps - we, the users, are making P4 better and better all the time. And to the creators of all the wonderful props, textures, figures, clothing that are eating up my HD - long may the sun shine on all of you. We still have the possibility of a buyout by another company to consider, and the owners/creators of the software have all expressed their intentions to keep Bryce and Poser alive. I just wish they'd release the patch already! Paul Today's little ray of sunshine :)