my friend told me that he heard poser was being taken over by adobe I don't know if that's just speculation, but he is into general computer stuff, not 3d so I don't know where he would have heard about it other than in general computer news which, to my way of thinking means it's unlikely to be an idle rumor. Then again, he wasn't very sure of it either, so who knows I just hope it continues, if poser5 increases posers abilities like poser4 did to 3 then it'll be awesome SewerRat