Well, considering that Poser does refuse to render stuff (too often) I guess I should be glad it worked at all! Bet a dollar to a donut that if I tried to put Vicki in there it would seize up on me instantly. It guess it just seemed so weird for it to take so long. I'm used to either instant freeze while Poser tries to think about rendering, or 5 minutes and you're out of there pic in hand. I'm gathering that the long time for this image was just a combination of the large transmap areas (that tree must be a bear too), extra lights to show all the walls, and the heavier than usual shadows I ended up with. Thanks for playing the "why the #%*$ does Poser do this?" game with me!