Dragon The hands are nonsymmettrical (grrrr) Sometimes I just want to go to the original modeler and smack 'em (sorry if you're reading this thread - but these things are annoying) Okay wizz - sending you my email now. WOn't be back at my system until late this evening. Should be able to wrap him up and send tonite or tomorrow morning. And I soothed my frustration by making Spike and Angel maps for Mike. Will be posting them too. And black jeans for Mike's pants. Thanks! Lyrra