Thanks, but One More issue has just come to mind (I hate issues, but that's life uh?!) After getting Mike1 I saw at the bottom of the page that DAZ had an UpdateFix to the "Hip" geometry, cool, I replaced my origonal file. BUT then I downloaded a couple cool characters for him that required the PFC covertion....turned out I had to re-install the origonal Mike into an empty folder to retrieve the older Hip Geom for the conversion. Any insight if this would become true to one like me just starting with Vicky2 and not having the origonal 'obj' files? Or maybe DAZ is likely to assit a new purchaser in obtaining older obj files in this type of situation??