Actually, with the 4.03 update (and Windows XP), I don't really have any major problems with Vue 4 at all. A lot less than I did with Vue 3 and Win98. And the Poser import in Vue 4 is a HUGE boon to those of us who are just too damn lazy and lack the ambition to manually set up a Poser figure. SNAP! And it's in and textured...and may I say looks better than Poser figures do as .obj imports. Much smoother. I love it. I have Bryce 5 too, and I hate using it. Some folks really have a way with it tho. Laurie