Thanks All, your just too kind! Now about the conforming part, I've been working on these shoes on and off for a couple of months, and I dimly remember at one stage they did have movable toes, and were conforming, but I seem to recall a couple of major problems- (read "gee, another Poser bug")- when you bent the toes they also scaled (a lot), and the Poser shoes don't seem to be actually conforming anyway- at least on my copy if you bend the figures toes they pop out of the shoes, imstead of the shoes toes bending. You could probaly fix this in Joint Designer, but I didn't know to do this then. Anyway, I know it's a chore to fit them, but it should be a one time deal, just save a figure with them on, props get saved with figures- unlike clothing or hair that us a separate figure. Also think "no pain, no gain"! Diane- Yamato's dress was sort of the inspiration, but mine is all original. At one time this was done, but since then I did some more work on it, and now all the "bending" morphs have to be redone. I think I'll also post this on my site when it's finished, as its pretty close to being done.