The truth of the matter is this... I don't ask people to work for free when they work with me. Expecially if the thing that we run makes money and they have to put up with me :o) With that said, also let me share with you all of the Admins here, including myself, haven't made one cent since we have taken over this forum. Infact, currently, we haven't made anything yet, not even enough to pay for the bandwidth that we use. And with the advent of MetaCreations new announcement, we most likely wont be. In fact, the last week I have been racking my brain to think of ways to at least be able to afford the cost of the server which ew are to move to soon. Will we close? No, it is not our intention to and fortunately thanks to a few companies (such as EdgeNet and Sheer Genius) they have been letting us slide on some of our operational costs to help keep this place here for all of you. Bottom line: No we are not doing this for the money, we are doing it because we enjoy doing it. Yes, it is my hope to pay the Admins once we start making money. It is the least that I can do for them in helping me run this large forum! Just felt you should know the whole truth... Jack