I've hit the tutorials on the right. For the price I ordered Ray Dream. Be forwarned. Poser has people "spoiled" mesh editing is actually a lot more challenging. I have had Lightwave for over a year and have YET to reliese anything here because I am not happy with the results. Of course LW has a very steep learning curve. The full working crack of RDS I have showed me that I really can do things with it without having to take a course - the tutorials here and there on the WWW have taken care of what I need to know. AND (public confession time) I have had a pirated copy of RDS for a year. I have not used it for anything at all because I believe in paying for stuff. My copy of RDS 5.5 wil be in my hands on Friday and the pirate copy gets turned into a coffee coaster... after I scratch the hell out of it.