I would hope that Jack and the staff do eventually make money from administering this site. There is an enormous amount of effort expended and it should be rewarded. I am sorry there is a divide between the two sites-regardless what has been said, there is a different approach to each and room for both. I also credit Willow and Grey for starting the original PFO, but that is no reason to feel that they should be the only ones involved in 3D sites. However, I refuse to play the 'game', so I no longer will post to the other site until I see a change in attitude. Diane B