Picnic sez: I also credit Willow and Grey for starting the original PFO, but that is no reason to feel that they should be the only ones involved in 3D sites. The problem with those two is that they think they ARE the poser community. Everytime someone didn't agree with their vision, they exiled or censured them. They've been working overtime to divide and destroy the community so that they can make the absurd claim that they created and control it. I'm sick of the offhand tributes to Willow and Grey as the patron saints of the Poser community. It's just as likely that someone else (like Bob Covington) could have been the rallying force in creating a place for the users to unite. Just an accident of fate that those two held the reins for as long as they have.